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May 05, 2008
Sound Off: A civil (rights team) discussion

I knew going into today's column that the comments would start spiking around mid-morning and go through the roof by noon.

Sometimes you just know a combination of certain phrases like "gay," "Michael Heath," "students," or "rights" is likely to get people's attention.

That can be a good thing and a bad thing.

The reason I wrote today's column on the civil rights team project being targeted in the latest Christian Civic League referendum was because of my experience in schools and meeting the kids who are in these teams.

It's often the case that kids are the last ones quoted or talked to for many stories, sometimes even the ones that affect their lives. This seemed like one time where it made sense to go right to the source and see how they feel about what they do, if it does any good and what they think about the controversy.

Since the news broke that the League was attempting another referendum to challenge the state's civil rights laws one of the few things that went under the radar was the inclusion of the civil rights team project in the referendum.

But as could be expected the "discussion" unfolding in the comments thread on the column has turned into the same old game of blame, name calling and anonymous attacks.

So let's see if we can do a better job right here.

There are plenty of views on issues of civil rights, intolerance (be it religious or sexuality-based) and what kids should be learning in schools. Some feel schools should focus on the core basics students need to pass tests and be prepared for the world, others think schools have a bigger role in the community. While some say groups like the Christian Civil League are agents of intolerance, others argue that the league has just as much right to voice its views as others.

How do you feel about the work of the civil rights teams? Do you have any experience with the project? How do you feel about the project being a part of the proposed Maine Human Rights Act referendum from the league? Why do you think comments on stories about gay-rights issues always devolve into the same old arguements?

All I'm asking for is some real conversation on an issue that clearly has lots of emotion wrapped in it and more than a few shades of gray.

All I ask is that you be respectful and feel free to speak your mind.

Let's see if we can have a real conversation.

Posted by at 11:28 AM

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A paradox arises when a person is expected to be tolerant of another person's religion, yet that religion espouses certain beliefs that might be considered intolerant outside the context of the religion.

To state one example, in Islam, the four major Sunni and the one major Shia schools agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.

Should I be tolerant of that? Obviously, I am tolerant of it happening in Islamic countries, as I've taken no steps in protest. Is it hypocritical to allow it in other countries, but not in my own?

Posted by kitkat
May 5, 2008 12:03 PM

I think Michael Heath knows it is in his best interest to shut down Civil Rights teams. Without a voice of reason or people speaking up for tolerance in high school he can hope for more narrow minded, intolerant adults in the future. More dues paying members for his organization!

I find it ironic that the group of kids he is trying to stop this time around is the same type of kids who would stand up for his right to practice his religion and execute his freedom of speech.

Picked the wrong target this time.


Posted by ac
May 5, 2008 12:11 PM

This, my friends, is what humans are designed to do. We take sides, go to war, and in the end strengthen the human race. Democrats vs. Republicans, Capitalists vs. Communists, Yankees vs. Red Sox. As people we take sides. It is our nature to do so. Intolerance is the vehicle for tolerance. In this case I think it's great that the civil rights team is being challenged, for it shines a light on everything that they do to help and can put in check what they do improperly. This is the way it's supposed to be!

Posted by BK
May 5, 2008 12:32 PM

I applaud the kids for speaking out for tolerance and acceptance. Heath is only promoting segregation and hatred. It is as though he is trying to move us backwards. How far back does he want to go? This nation (and the world) has had too many instances of extreme intolerance, racism, sexism and blind hatred. All people deserve equal treatment and equal rights.

You posed the question: "Why do you think comments on stories about gay-rights issues always devolve into the same old arguments?" Many people will fall back to the Bible for guidance. For the most part, this is not a bad thing. But keep in mind that the Bible was also used as a supporting argument for slavery. I am not saying that organized religion or the Bible are wrong. I am saying that Jesus preached peace, love and justice.

Posted by Jane
May 5, 2008 01:54 PM

I worked with civil rights teams and their advisers several years ago. Speaking as an ex-teacher who left public education in Maine in part because of the inadequate response to bullying in schools, and as someone married to an elementary school counselor, the CRT's are by far the best thing going to try and provide education for all in middle and high schools. Justin, I think "core-basics" vs. "bigger community role" is a false dichotomy in describing the school situation. Fact is, frightened or depressed children can't learn. For the kids being bullied, there aren't any core basics.

Heath talks about the CRT's as if they were indoctrination orchestrated from the AG's office in Augusta. This is revealing of Mr. H's mindset, but has no basis in fact. Focus and activities of each team are determined locally in each school, by the kids and their advisers. The students want to address the issues they see occurring in their school. To be sure, there are workshops run and info available from the AG's office, but a given CRT has no obligation to participate.

Posted by Stephen Farrand
May 6, 2008 06:12 AM

Seeing even more off topic comments today makes me really wish the Portland Press Herald would take away their little tool showing the most comments of the day. Or at the very least instead of linking directly into the comments section linking to the story itself to TRY and get people to read it.

I think now people are just jumping into comment sections without even knowing the topic of the story on which they are commenting. In this instance it led to an all out brawl, a fair amount of cyber bullying and plenty of comments which should be considered "personal attacks and offensive comments".

I am glad to see people's rational, thoughtful comments here. Hopefully the PPH can find a way to keep their general comment sections more directed.

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Justin is a former newspaper intern and has the scar tissue to prove it. Justin has been a staff writer for the Portland Press Herald/Maine Sunday Telegram since 2003, and in 2004 began writing a weekly column in the Monday Magazine.

If he had to pick a label, the column would fall under "youth culture," covering everything from high school dance etiquette, dealing with college debt, the resurgence of Roller Derby and Portland's one-of-a-kind music scene. This of course has not stopped him from answering letters to Santa Claus or writing about his experience riding shotgun in a drift car.

Justin is an export from the Midwest. He is a graduate of the University of Missouri and is originally from Minnesota. He enjoys bacon, cheap beer, redheads, Burt Reynolds jokes and wondering what the soundtrack to his life would sound like.

When he grows up he wants to be an international art thief. Or Captain America.

Until then he'll be bringing you dispatches about "the young people" and what they do.






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